Public comments for: DOT Notice of Public Hearing and Opportunity to Comment on Proposed Traffic Rules--Horse Drawn Cabs

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DISINGENUOUS PROPOSAL: This is another case of Alternative Facts by the de Blasio administration via the Department of Transportation. The relocation of the hack line to five different places in Central Park is meant to deceive unquestioning people into believing that the carriages will be off the streets and mixing with cars – and they will get a respite in the “tree-lined park.” This is simply not true. I wonder if the horses look at the green grass in Central Park and wish they were free so they could graze or roll on the grass or back up to a tree to scratch their rump. Instead, they will continue between the shafts of their carriages pulling tourists – in extreme weather conditions, working 9 hours a day, 7 days a week. What we as a society do to these animals in the name of frivolous entertainment is despicable and casts a dark shadow on this city. We support a ban or nothing. But we still ask for honest answers to our questions regarding this new proposal. LAWS NOT ENFORCED: Most of the street laws are not enforced including the ones about leaving horses unattended and untethered (very dangerous) and giving them 15 minute breaks every two hours. If the deBlasio administration had the good faith to try to enforce the existing regulations, it would be even more difficult to enforce in five different locations. HORSES WILL STILL BE IN TRAFFIC: It is a given that the carriages will still go back and forth from the stables on the far west side of Manhattan to Central Park – mixing with heavy traffic. Most accidents have occurred outside the park and hack line. To access the two new locations off Central Park South near 7th and 5th Avenue, the carriages will continue to make illegal U-turns on Central Park South. To access the two locations near Tavern on the Green and W. 72nd St., they will need to go north on Central Park West,, mixing with lots of traffic. To go to the location on E. 72nd st remains a question because Fifth Avenue goes downtown. The drivers will still be able to go around the city, including the Lincoln Center and Times Square areas after certain times in the evening depending on the day. Mixed with heavy traffic. This is a link to a list of accidents compiled since 1982. https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7693697089040184548#editor/target=post;postID=9074651033043287163;onPublishedMenu=template;onClosedMenu=template;postNum=3;src=postname . Please be compassionate!!! Agency: DOT PLEASE retire these horses. The hard streets, the traffic, the uncaring drivers all affect their health. They deserve to live out the rest of their lives on green pastures, running and rolling in the grass and flowers. Don't be selfish. It looks bad for New York to force them to work just like they have retired and banned the circus and don't allow elephants there anymore.
Agency: DOT
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when the mayor of nyc was elected, he said he was going to end the carriage industry in that city. that was one of his campaign promises - this latest iteration of that promise, which has yet to be fulfilled, is NOT good enough. this industry needs to be shut down. these horses are abused, neglected, exploited and that is criminal.
Agency: DOT
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Putting the horses in Central Park is just as bad as leaving them in traffic on the roadways. Somebody needs to care about the horses welfare as well as the public. New York City is a very busy and congested place for people alone but when horses with carriages are thrown in the mix that means the horses and people are at great risk to be severly hurt or killed in this environment. The horses would need to be removed from all traffic areas which would not be the case even if they are moved into Central Park. The right thing needs to be done to protect these horses along with the public as well. Unfortunately this move is not going to accomplish that.
Agency: DOT
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So after years of broken campaign promises, after years of ignoring our emails, letters, and phone calls, Mayor De Blasio thinks that relocating the hack lines is going to appease us? How, on any planet, is moving the hack lines good for the horses? Mayor, that really *is* the very least you could do for your city's abused carriage horses. We're not going to stop fighting for those animal's rights. We want to *ban* carriage rides, first, last, foremost, period, full stop. We want this abusive and archaic practice to come to an end. Moving where they wait does not stop carriage accidents where the horse is lying in the street, immobile. What a bad joke. There's nothing romantic about carriage rides around Central Park that the horse does not want to do. How about you hitch yourself up to a rickshaw and pull tourists around the park. During the summer. And the winter. And the rain. And the snow. How about it, Mayor? In high heels. Because that's how it is with a horse walking on pavement. No Mayor De Blasio, "moving the hack lines" is *not* a "win for NYC horses". That's a slap in the face and an obvious attempt to gag the ones fighting for the horses. Keep your hack lines.....we're going to continue the fight. Maybe we'll have better luck with the next mayor.
Agency: DOT
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Our daughter has been driving carriages for a number of years, now. It's been a dream come true for her since she's loved horses all her life. We are all very concerned about the proposal to move hacklines into Central Park because of the following: 1. Horse carriages will no longer be in a highly visible, well known location, costing the business any walk up rides from passerby that hadn’t initially intended on entering the park, especially at night. 2. Horses will be in traffic more often on the new ride routes they will have to take when they start at these newly designated areas of Central Park. 3. Horses will have to go out of their way to access their water troughs. 4. Horses will be in less shaded areas where it is much warmer while they are on most their new hacklines. 5. Two of the proposed hacklines are on hills which put strain on horses that are trying to rest there. 6. None of the hacklines will be accessible to the community of people with mobility impairments. The points mentioned above will undoubtedly have a far reaching and extremely negative impact on the entire carriage industry of NYC. As you can see, the horses would be in a far more hazardous situation than they are in right now. This just doesn't make sense, as those who are trying to protect the carriage horses do not seem to be aware of the dangers and risks posed in such a move. It seems that many critics also don't realize that the vast majority of carriage horses are treated like family by their owners. They have the best vet care, vacations and 24 hour surveillance. Driving is suspended when weather is determined unsafe. And in general, working horses are much safer in this environment than many uninformed or biased individuals would like you to believe. If you are interested at all, please do the research about what the horrible alternatives actually are for these beloved animals. Growing up on Long Island and going to Juilliard in NYC, I will always consider myself a "displaced New Yorker". That said, NYC has my heart, and with the acceptance of this proposal, I do believe that the damage done to the horses, family owned businesses (many of which have been passed down for generations), and the entire iconic industry would be catastrophic.
Agency: DOT
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I fully support the NYC Horse Carriage Industry. The horses are well cared for and union jobs need to be preserved. Having the horses moved inside Central Park is just another feeble attempt to dismantle the Industry.
Agency: DOT
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No one with any equine knowledge can possibly believe that the proposed changes to the hacklines are beneficial to the horses in any way. Standing a horse on sloping ground for long periods of time will not allow them to rest comfortably as they do now, they will have less access to the currently easily accessible water troughs, and some of the newly proposed areas are in full sun for most of the day. No one with any business knowledge can fail to see that this change will adversely affect the public visibility and therefore frequency of the carriage rides, thus reducing their owner's financial ability to provide them with the exemplary care they now receive. No one with the slightest knowledge of the "horse carriage issue" in NYC can fail to see that this is an attempt to "pay off" a campaign donor by instituting policies that will eventually end in the businesses being forced to close. The new "proposed" locations are not accessible to people with disabilities (no sidewalks) and force people with children to attempt to board in areas with pedestrian and cyclist traffic...it's obvious that this "scheme" is intended to harm the carriage industry, and not benefit the horses. Nor can the carriage industry receive a fair hearing from an administration that has vowed to ban them from "day one", predisposed to rule against them...and the obvious bias and ill intent from government toward a legal, law abiding business enterprise, merely to please a wealthy campaign donor, is blatantly unconstitutional.
Agency: DOT
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DISINGENUOUS PROPOSAL: This is another case of Alternative Facts by the de Blasio administration via the Department of Transportation. The relocation of the hack line to five different places in Central Park is meant to deceive unquestioning people into believing that the carriages will be off the streets and mixing with cars – and they will get a respite in the “tree-lined park.” This is simply not true. I wonder if the horses look at the green grass in Central Park and wish they were free so they could graze or roll on the grass or back up to a tree to scratch their rump. Instead, they will continue between the shafts of their carriages pulling tourists – in extreme weather conditions, working 9 hours a day, 7 days a week. What we as a society do to these animals in the name of frivolous entertainment is despicable and casts a dark shadow on this city. We support a ban or nothing. But we still ask for honest answers to our questions regarding this new proposal. LAWS NOT ENFORCED: Most of the street laws are not enforced including the ones about leaving horses unattended and untethered (very dangerous) and giving them 15 minute breaks every two hours. If the deBlasio administration had the good faith to try to enforce the existing regulations, it would be even more difficult to enforce in five different locations. HORSES WILL STILL BE IN TRAFFIC: It is a given that the carriages will still go back and forth from the stables on the far west side of Manhattan to Central Park – mixing with heavy traffic. Most accidents have occurred outside the park and hack line. To access the two new locations off Central Park South near 7th and 5th Avenue, the carriages will continue to make illegal U-turns on Central Park South. To access the two locations near Tavern on the Green and W. 72nd St., they will need to go north on Central Park West,, mixing with lots of traffic. To go to the location on E. 72nd st remains a question because Fifth Avenue goes downtown. The drivers will still be able to go around the city, including the Lincoln Center and Times Square areas after certain times in the evening depending on the day. Mixed with heavy traffic. QUESTIONS: But mostly, we have asked the Dept. of Transportation to provide the new routes/loops - the path taken by the carriages after they pick up passengers. Will they use the streets? We suspect so. We need answers. This is a link to a list of accidents compiled since 1982. https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=7693697089040184548#editor/target=post;postID=9074651033043287163;onPublishedMenu=template;onClosedMenu=template;postNum=3;src=postname Elizabeth Forel Coalition to Ban Horse-Drawn Carriages
Agency: DOT
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The mayor failed to get the votes to ban the horse carriages so now seems to be trying to achieve it by "executive order". His proposal to move the carriages inside the Park -on which he seems to have consulted everyone but the drivers themselves - is certainly not favorable to the horses. Their access to the two drinking troughs would be severely limited, three of the proposed sites are totally unfit for purpose and the reduced visibility will result in a catastrophic loss of business especially on the night shift. The authors of this proposal, NYCLASS, don't care about animal welfare. They are nothing more than a front for a property developer who covets the land occupied by the stables. They have been fined tens of thousands of dollars for campaign violations. This proposal is not about the horses, it's about a pay to play donor wanting a return on his investment in campaign donations and as such is utterly corrupt. The proposal must be immediately placed "on hold" pending a corruption investigation by the Attorney General. Disclosure: I have a carriage driver's license but do not currently work in the industry.
Agency: DOT

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